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spywholuvsu
60. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Mar 2 2009, 2:14 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 2 2009, 2:14 PM EST
"Why would anyone watch LIVE AND LET DIE again??"
i think the title of the film sez it all about the film itself. Tha ERN (008)
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spywholuvsu
61. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Mar 2 2009, 2:15 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 2 2009, 2:15 PM EST
"Yea Casino Royale and Goldfinger are definitely my 2 favourite Bond movies. I also really like Thunderball and I think Goldeneye was awesome too, but by Die Another Day they were getting kinda dismal. The invisible car was a bit of a stretch in my opinion. I prefered the gadget-laden car that Connery had; oil slick, smoke screen, etc."
ur stock went up 2pts. keep it up my man. at least u're not like the other u no who. Tha ERN (008)
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Posted Anonymously
62. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Mar 19 2009, 12:15 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 19 2009, 12:15 AM EDT
Worst ever Bond? I don't think you know what you're talking about. Honestly, even the "worst" Bond is better than some of the stuff coming out today. In my opinion the worst Bond has to be "Moonraker". I mean really, lasers in space? Jaws surviving reentry in part of the spacestation? Worst ever Bond! Or what about " A View To A Kill? That's another "worst". Too many what about's in that one to get into. So don't dis "Casino Royale" unless you really sit down and watch ALL of the movies, and I don't mean just by name, but from beginning to end. Just my opinion. Do you find this valuable?    

spywholuvsu
63. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Mar 19 2009, 3:30 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 19 2009, 3:30 AM EDT
"Worst ever Bond? I don't think you know what you're talking about. Honestly, even the "worst" Bond is better than some of the stuff coming out today. In my opinion the worst Bond has to be "Moonraker". I mean really, lasers in space? Jaws surviving reentry in part of the spacestation? Worst ever Bond! Or what about " A View To A Kill? That's another "worst". Too many what about's in that one to get into. So don't dis "Casino Royale" unless you really sit down and watch ALL of the movies, and I don't mean just by name, but from beginning to end. Just my opinion."
seen them all. WORST EVER, as u put it' TMWTGG,MR,AVTAK.' Tha ERN
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007FANATIC
64. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Mar 19 2009, 2:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 19 2009, 2:16 PM EDT
"“Casino Royale”: An Obituary for The James Bond Film Franchise

[warning: review contains spoilers]



Ever notice that the 007 films produced after “Goldeneye” seem to get worse and worse in significant critical, creative respects like screenplay quality, casting decisions, etc.? With “Casino Royale,” the franchise hits rock bottom. “Casino Royale” is, objectively, the worst James Bond film in the history of the 007 film franchise. Why?



1) Story: Based, more or less, on Ian Fleming’s original novel, this unskillful adaptation/update is communicated with a disdain for clarity. The audience is fed too little information, too late (or not at all)—about both character motivations as well as the stakes involved in various action sequences—to remain emotionally engaged and genuinely interested in what’s going on.

2) Casting/characterization: lacks conviction and appeal

• Daniel Craig (Bond). Craig’s characterization of Bond is charmless, worthless, and disturbingly nihilistic. At one point in the script, Craig’s Bond responds to a question with “Do I look like I give a damn?” The answer in “Casino Royale” is overwhelmingly NO. Why on earth, then, should the audience care about him? At another point, he tells Vesper “I have no idea what an honest job is.” Is this a credible (or creditable) moral statement to hear from a top-level government secret agent? Craig’s monotonously stoic performance is by no means compensated for by his (atrocious) line readings: he articulates rarely, mumbles often. As a result of Craig’s hollow Bond interpretation, what should have been the film’s ultimate impact moment—007’s “Bond, James Bond” confrontation with villainous Mr. White—is surprisingly anti-climactic, prompting a shrug rather than a cheer from this reviewer.

[see Part 2 for continuance]"
You are dead wrong. CR is Great, and my favorite. Period.
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007FANATIC
65. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Mar 19 2009, 2:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 19 2009, 2:17 PM EDT
"Worst ever Bond? I don't think you know what you're talking about. Honestly, even the "worst" Bond is better than some of the stuff coming out today. In my opinion the worst Bond has to be "Moonraker". I mean really, lasers in space? Jaws surviving reentry in part of the spacestation? Worst ever Bond! Or what about " A View To A Kill? That's another "worst". Too many what about's in that one to get into. So don't dis "Casino Royale" unless you really sit down and watch ALL of the movies, and I don't mean just by name, but from beginning to end. Just my opinion."
So true.
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LORDJIM
LORDJIM
66. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Mar 19 2009, 7:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 19 2009, 7:44 PM EDT
those who ditch craig s bond are in the minority . your argument is he s just a thug HELLO, he s a trained hitman and like craig himself said what do you want half monk half hitman . there are no gadgets HELLO, he has not yet earned his stripes so his organisation are not goin to give him gadgets . there are no one liners HELLO, i have a little itch down there would you mind, that last hand nearly killed me , keeping off your perfectley formed arse , you noticed. i do hate it when religion comes between us .and thats not all of them , not bad for bond beginning , the BEGINNING not the end. craig is the man. Do you find this valuable?    
koolkikij
koolkikij
67. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Mar 19 2009, 7:45 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 19 2009, 7:45 PM EDT
"those who ditch craig s bond are in the minority . your argument is he s just a thug HELLO, he s a trained hitman and like craig himself said what do you want half monk half hitman . there are no gadgets HELLO, he has not yet earned his stripes so his organisation are not goin to give him gadgets . there are no one liners HELLO, i have a little itch down there would you mind, that last hand nearly killed me , keeping off your perfectley formed arse , you noticed. i do hate it when religion comes between us .and thats not all of them , not bad for bond beginning , the BEGINNING not the end. craig is the man."
very well put
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LORDJIM
LORDJIM
68. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Mar 19 2009, 7:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 19 2009, 7:49 PM EDT
"very well put"
thank you kikii.
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spywholuvsu
69. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Mar 20 2009, 3:49 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 20 2009, 3:49 AM EDT
"those who ditch craig s bond are in the minority . your argument is he s just a thug HELLO, he s a trained hitman and like craig himself said what do you want half monk half hitman . there are no gadgets HELLO, he has not yet earned his stripes so his organisation are not goin to give him gadgets . there are no one liners HELLO, i have a little itch down there would you mind, that last hand nearly killed me , keeping off your perfectley formed arse , you noticed. i do hate it when religion comes between us .and thats not all of them , not bad for bond beginning , the BEGINNING not the end. craig is the man."
he sure is my man. a very excellent Bond 4 2days world. Tha ERN
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00seven
00seven
70. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Apr 2 2009, 4:59 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 2 2009, 4:59 PM EDT
"I reread all the books in order right through to devil may care and i thought Casino Royale the movie and Craigs Bond were very good interpretatons of the book. I wasnt at all disappointed. Now then....i garantee that afte QoS that the Bond movies will continue where Brosnan left off and Craig will start adding a bit of humour to the role."
I still stand by this quote.
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spywholuvsu
73. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Apr 12 2009, 2:46 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 12 2009, 2:46 AM EDT
"I still stand by this quote."
we'll c in Bond #23. Tha ERN
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RetroSPECTRE
RetroSPECTRE
74. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
May 29 2009, 1:23 AM EDT | Post edited: May 29 2009, 1:23 AM EDT
A lot of people who claim that the reboot films are the worst in the series seem to want James Bond to be nothing more than a catchphrase spewing corporate tool for selling movies tickets, rather than having him be a relevant character with depth and purpose. The reason why the franchise was declining is because they never took liberties and strayed from the "formula", and it definitely got stretched thin after a while.

I really like where the series it going now.
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Posted Anonymously
75. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
May 29 2009, 6:54 AM EDT | Post edited: May 29 2009, 6:54 AM EDT
"A lot of people who claim that the reboot films are the worst in the series seem to want James Bond to be nothing more than a catchphrase spewing corporate tool for selling movies tickets, rather than having him be a relevant character with depth and purpose. The reason why the franchise was declining is because they never took liberties and strayed from the "formula", and it definitely got stretched thin after a while.

I really like where the series it going now. "
Very well said and I concur! By DAD the series was becoming rather bland, with following the same formula all the time. As you say, the series was declining because they DIDN"T stray from the formula. Casino Royale was well received by many fans and critics for a reason; it DID stray from the usual tried and then-tired formula and do something a bit different for once. The result was, in my opinion, one of the top films in the franchise, and Daniel Craig is certainly in my top 2 for favorite 007 actors (tha top honour goes to Connery of Course!). But CR is definitely one of the best in the series, and will surely be one of the more remembered and appreciated 007 films for many years to come. :)
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MI62009
MI62009
76. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
May 29 2009, 10:00 AM EDT | Post edited: May 29 2009, 10:04 AM EDT
I actually like CR a lot, it has revived the series from the Brosnan latter era sillyness and reimagined the Bond universe with a terrific start, including one of the best action chase sequences I have ever seen (Mollaka is like a human flea!). The cliches are gone, and I like the way the 'shaken or stirred' response was made to fit the new Bond's gritty and fierce determination; Craig fits well with the character of the MI6 operative.

While I like many of Brosnan and Moore's films, they could often come across as cruise ship entertainers at times, with the wisecracks and fancy quips...they were amusing and added light relief, but they were of their day, and there is no need to further turn Bond into a predictable caricature.
Craig has taken on some of what Dalton could have brought to the character, only does it better and right.

The poker game was a great mental wardance between Bond and Chiffre, and flowed well with the film...this is nothing new, as Bond has often before played a game or sport with his nemesis (golf with Goldfinger, anyone?) which cranks up the tension well between protaganist and antagonist.
The excellent Chris Cornell song and title sequence is my top favorite also.

Bond is evolving...hopefully to better use than Quantum of Solace which was a weak film, but Bond himself has a lot of potential now. :)
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Posted Anonymously
77. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
May 29 2009, 7:25 PM EDT | Post edited: May 29 2009, 7:25 PM EDT
"I actually like CR a lot, it has revived the series from the Brosnan latter era sillyness and reimagined the Bond universe with a terrific start, including one of the best action chase sequences I have ever seen (Mollaka is like a human flea!). The cliches are gone, and I like the way the 'shaken or stirred' response was made to fit the new Bond's gritty and fierce determination; Craig fits well with the character of the MI6 operative.

While I like many of Brosnan and Moore's films, they could often come across as cruise ship entertainers at times, with the wisecracks and fancy quips...they were amusing and added light relief, but they were of their day, and there is no need to further turn Bond into a predictable caricature.
Craig has taken on some of what Dalton could have brought to the character, only does it better and right.

The poker game was a great mental wardance between Bond and Chiffre, and flowed well with the film...this is nothing new, as Bond has often before played a game or sport with his nemesis (golf with Goldfinger, anyone?) which cranks up the tension well between protaganist and antagonist.
The excellent Chris Cornell song and title sequence is my top favorite also.

Bond is evolving...hopefully to better use than Quantum of Solace which was a weak film, but Bond himself has a lot of potential now. :)
"
I agree about QoS. I liked it but compared to CR it wasn't as good. Coulda been longer with more dialogue between the action scenes (especially during the first half of the movie!) But it did have some redeeming qualities. I liked the opening chase and the scenes at the opera. Despite the shortcomings of QoS, however, I am confident that #23 will be far superior, with a few old traditions rolled back in but still carrying over the same style of Craigs first two outings, which is basically what saved the franchise anyway. :)
p.s. Craig a great Bond, one of the best.
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Posted Anonymously
78. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
May 29 2009, 8:08 PM EDT | Post edited: May 29 2009, 8:08 PM EDT
"I agree about QoS. I liked it but compared to CR it wasn't as good. Coulda been longer with more dialogue between the action scenes (especially during the first half of the movie!) But it did have some redeeming qualities. I liked the opening chase and the scenes at the opera. Despite the shortcomings of QoS, however, I am confident that #23 will be far superior, with a few old traditions rolled back in but still carrying over the same style of Craigs first two outings, which is basically what saved the franchise anyway. :)
p.s. Craig a great Bond, one of the best."
Craig's portrail of Bond is down to earth wreckless and Brutal a good mix for bond He can kick but like sean connery have emotion like George Lazenby have some mild humor like Roger Moore have a tendecy to violence like Dalton and be a strong silent type like Brosnan. He's the bond of the 2000's and if people think he's too "short" or "ugly" he's really not and If you can't see through that let's see you do better.
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MI62009
MI62009
79. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
May 30 2009, 4:19 AM EDT | Post edited: May 30 2009, 4:19 AM EDT
"Craig's portrail of Bond is down to earth wreckless and Brutal a good mix for bond He can kick but like sean connery have emotion like George Lazenby have some mild humor like Roger Moore have a tendecy to violence like Dalton and be a strong silent type like Brosnan. He's the bond of the 2000's and if people think he's too "short" or "ugly" he's really not and If you can't see through that let's see you do better."
Craig himself is exellent in the roles, QOS just needed better script and character development.
There were some decent action scenes, but the editing wasn't as stylish and flowing as CR.

I didn't like the girl drowned in oil scene, that was almost breaking the fourth wall in Goldfinger homage, and was not necessary, even though it was linked to Dominic Greene's comeuppance
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The best scene for me was Mr White's interrogation, which revealed just how dangerous and elusive Quantum really is, they need to work on this well into the next few films!

Overall, a learning step. QOS could have been a lot better, but I suppose you have to take the film as it is rather than making CR comparisons to really appreciate it better.
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Posted Anonymously
80. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Jun 1 2009, 6:20 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 1 2009, 6:20 AM EDT
THANK YOU FOR BEING WELL INFORMED. CRAIG AND DALTON PLAYED THE BOND CHARACTER MOST LIKE
HE WAS WRITTEN BY THE AUTHOR IAN FLEMING. BOND IS HUMAN, WITH VERY DEEP FEELINGS. HE IS ALSO
A TRAGIC CHARACTER. ALL THE OTHER BONDS(ALL GOOD) SEEMED TO MAKE BOND TOO COMIC, TOO:
'don't take me seriously' BUT CRAIG SAYS THE OPPOSITE. TO ME HIS PORTRAYAL OF THE CHARACTER SEEMS TO SAY: "I AM A KILLING MACHINE...I HAVE NO FAMILY AND NOTHING TO LOSE...I'LL KILL YOU AT THE DROP OF A HAT BECAUSE WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE IN THE WORLD?" AND THIS IS HOW I READ THE CHARACTER IN THE BOOK.
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81. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Jun 1 2009, 10:51 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 1 2009, 10:51 AM EDT
I enjoyed CR almost as much as DIE ANOTHER DAY. Do you find this valuable?    
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