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englandfan007
englandfan007
20. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Aug 11 2008, 10:39 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 11 2008, 10:39 AM EDT
what ar you talking casino royale is the best film since goldfinger and ohmss 2  out of 6 found this valuable. Do you?    
englandfan007
englandfan007
21. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Aug 11 2008, 10:40 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 11 2008, 10:40 AM EDT
well said justinatheropinion i think casino royale is the best film for nearly 40 years and northbreed doesn't get what it's about 1  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
calvtob14
calvtob14
22. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Aug 13 2008, 12:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 13 2008, 12:17 PM EDT
"To keep my response short and sweet, I'll just say this:

Bond has always kept up with the times. From the fast and fancy cars, to the best tuxedo you can
find. As proof of it,look at the Moore era. His fasion was not something to admire, but the times
was rapidly changing and Bond was playong "catch me up" with the time. The most equisite car
car of the 50's and 60's were the Aston Martins.

And what does Bond do? He gets his first real sports car in the DB5, and past that horrid Bently
era.

Now we come to the 21st century. And what do we have: Special Effects. There has always been
special effects, but one can say not like today. Today, movies need three componets -

1. Action
2. Romance
3. Comedy

Bond has all three, but to keep up with all three, he needs help. Special Effects is revolutionizing
the industry which we call "film making".

Casino Royale netualizes special effects in so many ways! I take it you are not a fan of it, whilst I
truely am. From the Sky Fleet Prototype scene, to pretty much everythin is awesome.

But give Bond credit, the films are starting to break away from the special effects. This is totally
James Bond For Real. For Real is much better than special effects, butBond thrived on Special
Effects for so long, it is hard to get away from it all.

Now in Quantum of Solace, Craig is doing most of his stunts, and there is much more action in
this film than the more strategic Casino Royale. It will be interesting to see if QOS completely
breaks away form the Special Effects Bond has come to know and love.

Well, look at that. Guess that was not very sweet and to the point. But hey, Im off work till Monday.
Vactions, dont you just love em'.

P.S. JustinAtheropinion and JustinApplebee. Are we brothers? lol"
Agreed 100%
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Posted Anonymously
23. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Oct 11 2008, 11:46 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 11 2008, 11:46 AM EDT
I totally agree james bond got alot worse after goldeneye. The whole humor got canned, the casting is dreadfull since tomorrow never dies and beyond. I agree we hit rock bottom with Craig. He just isn't suited for the james bond part. To be honest Brosnan didnt come close to moore or connery but for the modern style bond he was 10 times better than this garbage. I'd recommend the new director of the bond movies to watch the old ones because the movies are getting messed up with this new course. 4  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    

Posted Anonymously
24. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Oct 26 2008, 9:12 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 26 2008, 9:12 PM EDT
WORST BOND EVER!
I just finished watching it after renting it. What a waste of $4.00.

Northbreed's original post sums up all my thoughts perfectly...I can't say anything more....what a dreadful movie. and so disappointing.
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beatlehead
beatlehead
25. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Oct 26 2008, 10:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 26 2008, 10:19 PM EDT
" I agree we hit rock bottom with Craig. He just isn't suited for the james bond part. "
You've got to be kidding!
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mkfreeberg
mkfreeberg
26. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Oct 26 2008, 11:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 26 2008, 11:23 PM EDT
These "anonymous" guys are just trolls. I don't think they really exist. I think they're just robots marketing some kind of erectile dysfunction remedy or home re-financing thing.

Casino Royale is awesome. As a book, and as a movie. And Craig is da bomb.
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Posted Anonymously
27. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Oct 28 2008, 8:04 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 28 2008, 8:04 AM EDT
I wonder if you can read or even understand what the word objective means? CR is easily in the top five Bond films and fights with From Russia With Love for the most Fleming like depiction of character and plot. I think you've watched Octopussy, Moonraker and Never Say Never Again too many times. Get a grip son 0  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

Posted Anonymously
28. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Oct 28 2008, 8:17 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 28 2008, 8:17 PM EDT
I couldn't agree more, I too watched CR and emerged from the theater thinking 'well, that's a couple of hours of my life I won't get back' It was so bad that I wouldn't even recommend it to someone I disliked. My main complaints with the movie are as follows...

1) CR is supposed to be the FIRST of the bond movies, where Commander James Bond becomes a 00 agent, this obviously preceeds Dr. No, chronologically the first bond movie made. So why didn't the technology reflect this? There wouldn't have been cellphones etc at that time period. Pointless trying to relaunch the franchise after 21 prior bond movies establishing the character. What's next? Blade relaunched with the main character being a short psychopathic icelandic singer whose name rhymes with the sound you make after too many bad beers?

2) Daniel Craig - a 2 dimensional actor with with less depth than paris hilton. He brings nothing new to bond. Sean Connery brought a personality it was impossoble to dislike, smooth, sophisticated, suave and at the same time ruthless where needed., Roger moore brought the groanable one liners, (i.e. bad guy gets electrocuted, cut to bond - bond says 'shocking') not the best bond, but acceptable. George Lazenby was a primadonna, and it showed,which was why he wasn't brought back for a second movie, still, the movie was watchable. Timothy Dalton, a more moody bond, and darker than the predecessors, but it worked... Then Pierce brosnan, who, IMHO was almost as good as Connery, he brought humanity to bond, then, Daniel Craig, the cardboard bond, a bond actor who had 2 teeth knocked out while filming Casino Royale, then fainted when he saw the blood, a bond who caused filming on CR to be delayed while he learned to drive stick shift so he could get the bond car to move. Quantum of solace? I am not going to bother, and shall not watch bond until Daniel Craig is no longer polluting the role.
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spymaster_uk
29. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Oct 29 2008, 8:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 29 2008, 8:14 AM EDT
All the Bonds, starting with Pierce Brosnan's first appearance, have been poor; Casino Royale has shown a slight improvement.

The reason being is that the producers are chasing recent action films, instead of focussing on the qualities of Bond films that make them a) unique and b) have longevity.

We all know that the dreadful Bourne series has attracted too much attention and Bond film directors/producers have become obsessed with producing action instead of style
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00seven
00seven
30. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Oct 29 2008, 8:20 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 29 2008, 8:20 PM EDT
I actually thought Connery said "shocking" but there ya go...getting old and memory is fading ...alas. Anyhow, it is well known that the producers and film company said that they were going to make CR and relaunch the series as if it happened in modern times and everybody knew that. And here we are 3 years later hearing the same old questions about cell phones etc. Thats my answer. Short and sweet. There shouldnt be a comeback from you now on that subject unless its about youre own personal feelings on the way theyve done it, not about the timing being wrong. They were upfront about it so if they decided to put Tony Blair in there as the current prime minister then nobody could say that he wasnt the prime minister in that era. Get it? Good. As for Craig....hes a great Bond and even Pierce admits it. He said he didnt watch the film (when he made this statement) but saw part of it and finally realised why he couldnt have and shouldnt have made it. Brosnan will always be my fave but God, Craig rocks too. (hmmmm maybe im not so old after all). Do you find this valuable?    
GrapplingHookGun
GrapplingHookGun
31. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Oct 31 2008, 4:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 31 2008, 4:26 PM EDT
I did not like Casino Royale at all and it was full of stupid things, but it is not the worst. Moonraker or Die Another Day is the worst. 1  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    

Posted Anonymously
32. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Nov 1 2008, 8:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Nov 1 2008, 8:51 PM EDT
What is really sad is that nobody misses the class, charm and sense of humor previous Bonds had. Did nobody in here even notice that e.g. Roger Moore was making fun of himself? Where is this sense of humor?

Daniel Craig sure does not have it, nor has he class, style or anything else all the other Bonds had. And it does not matter what the original book was like. The Bond movies created a character that has been manifested over decades. Why ruin that character now? Because the original book was different?

Of course not, but it is a welcome excuse for the producers. The actual reason is, of course, a different one: money.

Because today’s generation does not know what charm, wit and class was, so hgow could it appreciate it? A generation that is not even able to concentrate on an uncut, not action-loaded sequence for longer than 5 seconds. A generation that falls asleep during dialog.

So finally, the Bond producers have given in to today’s mass production, violence and speed graving, shallow iPod-deaf, restless text-messaging generation and has given it the muscle-packed idiot they wanted..

It will definitely get them more money than making movies the old style for the aging connoisseurs. It is part of the times.

So James Bond connoisseurs, stop arguing who the best James Bond is. We all know it is definitely not Craig, and he probably knows it himself, but don’t waste your breath trying to convince the masses.

No use arguing with a blind man about colors.
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beatlehead
beatlehead
33. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Nov 2 2008, 1:59 AM EDT | Post edited: Nov 2 2008, 1:59 AM EDT
"I did not like Casino Royale at all and it was full of stupid things..."
At least it didn't have an invisible car! Now THAT's stupid!!!
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beatlehead
beatlehead
34. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Nov 2 2008, 2:01 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 2 2008, 2:01 AM EST
"“Casino Royale”: An Obituary for The James Bond Film Franchise





Ever notice that the 007 films produced after “Goldeneye” seem to get worse and worse in significant critical, creative respects like screenplay quality, casting decisions, etc.? With “Casino Royale,” the franchise hits rock bottom. “Casino Royale” is, objectively, the worst James Bond film in the history of the 007 film franchise. Why?



1) Story: Based, more or less, on Ian Fleming’s original novel, this unskillful adaptation/update is communicated with a disdain for clarity. The audience is fed too little information, too late (or not at all)—about both character motivations as well as the stakes involved in various action sequences—to remain emotionally engaged and genuinely interested in what’s going on.

2) Casting/characterization: lacks conviction and appeal

• Daniel Craig (Bond). Craig’s characterization of Bond is charmless, worthless, and disturbingly nihilistic. At one point in the script, Craig’s Bond responds to a question with “Do I look like I give a damn?” The answer in “Casino Royale” is overwhelmingly NO. Why on earth, then, should the audience care about him? At another point, he tells Vesper “I have no idea what an honest job is.” Is this a credible (or creditable) moral statement to hear from a top-level government secret agent? Craig’s monotonously stoic performance is by no means compensated for by his (atrocious) line readings: he articulates rarely, mumbles often. As a result of Craig’s hollow Bond interpretation, what should have been the film’s ultimate impact moment—007’s “Bond, James Bond” confrontation with villainous Mr. White—is surprisingly anti-climactic, prompting a shrug rather than a cheer from this reviewer.

[see Part 2 for continuance]"
An obituary that promises better things to come? Now THAT'S a novel idea!
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CodeNamePredator
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35. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Nov 2 2008, 8:56 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 2 2008, 8:56 AM EST
"An obituary that promises better things to come? Now THAT'S a novel idea!"
LOL
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Posted Anonymously
36. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Nov 6 2008, 11:54 AM EST | Post edited: Nov 6 2008, 11:54 AM EST
What I find interesting is that all of the naysayers don't seem to realize that the reason Craig's Bond is portrayed as flawed and not the perfect, suave Bond that we're used to seeing is because Craig's Bond isn't at that point in his life yet. CR was Bond's first movie as a 00 Agent, and let's face it, he is flawed. He's very flawed. Because he got his heart broken he's a wuss? That's ridiculous. Because he got his heart broken is the reason why he goes on to be the womanizing, smooth, witty and nearly flawless person we've already met in the majority of the Bond films previous. Nobody is that perfect, they had to get their start somewhere! 3  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    

Posted Anonymously
37. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Nov 7 2008, 12:00 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 7 2008, 12:00 PM EST
Without being verbose, I am and have been a huge Bond fan and I consider Casino Royale with Daniel Craig as the best Bond film to date. It's the only Bond film I've watched for 20+ time and still can't get enough. I can't wait for Quantum later this month!!! 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

Posted Anonymously
38. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Nov 7 2008, 12:58 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 7 2008, 12:58 PM EST
Here! Here! Well noted! 1  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    

Posted Anonymously
39. RE: "Casino Royale": Worst Bond Film Ever, Part 1
Nov 7 2008, 1:02 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 7 2008, 1:02 PM EST
"I think we agree fasr less than you think, joshorio. We're polar opposites--especially if you like BAD one-liners, and the general lazy writing that went into the Moore films--James Bond should be able to seduce women, but instaneously, ala Moore? That's simply shallow writing (certainly shallow characters), and too much by-the-numbers formula writing as the worst of the Bonds demonstrate. If you want to see that style made fun of, one need merely see the "McBain" movies of "The Simpsons."

And Bond should be a family-film? Really? I disagree strongly. Bond is a cold-blooded killer. That's what Fleming, who created Bond, wrote. That is not family fare. If you want family fare, give him a dog. Or make them musicals.

"Casino" has some spectaculat special effects (if you LIKE that sort of thing, but SFX don't make good movies--how many times does that have to be proven?), they're just better integrated into the film--that jumbo jet never existed, by the way, as it was a model.

For me, "Casino" is nearly the perfect Bond movie for all the reasons you described--("largely moved away from the special effects, removed the one liners, took out the wit, and made a bond that is big and strong and can run fast and jump high, who is ruthless, and at times a bit deranged,")--though I disagree it took out the wit, it played with the Bond formula, just as the early Connery's played with the formulas of the typical suspense film. Bond IS ruthless. He's an assassin. That's his job. But he's also human and should suffer the consequences of his profession, and if he's a bit deranged at times--so was Fleming's, so was Dalton's--that's what makes drama, something that was sorely lacking in the by-rote Moore, which YOU seem to like.

You can have them. I want something closer to Fleming that actually improves on him. "Casino" does."
You are spot on Justin! Could written response any better myself!
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