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JustinAtheropinion |
Book Club: Ch. 23-27
Jan 30 2009, 3:04 PM EST
One more question to start things off: This was the first James Bond novel, and Ian Fleming's first novel. What do you think of it? Is it a timeless classic? Do you recognize "James Bond" in it? Would you have suspected that it would have spawned a series of books, much less one of the greatest film-series of all time? Along with the discussion points of these crucial final chapters, give us your thoughts. Do you find this valuable? |
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QuartermasterQ |
1. RE: Book Club: Ch. 23-27
Jan 30 2009, 6:41 PM EST
"One more question to start things off: This was the first James Bond novel, and Ian Fleming's first novel. What do you think of it? Is it a timeless classic? Do you recognize "James Bond" in it? Would you have suspected that it would have spawned a series of books, much less one of the greatest film-series of all time?I think its amazing, and so far my favorite of the ones I have read. Yes, its a timeless classic and was a good starting point to the series. Great book. Do you find this valuable? |
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Topol |
2. RE: Book Club: Ch. 23-27
Feb 2 2009, 6:51 PM EST
"I think its amazing, and so far my favorite of the ones I have read. Yes, its a timeless classic and was a good starting point to the series. Great book."This was the first Fleming book I read. I watched the movies, and I thought the books would be good. It was nothing like I expected. Good, but nothing like I thought. Got me hooked to read the rest!!! on From Russia, With Love right now... after that only 4 more! Do you find this valuable? |
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joshiorio |
3. RE: Book Club: Ch. 23-27
Feb 3 2009, 9:40 AM EST
"I think its amazing, and so far my favorite of the ones I have read. Yes, its a timeless classic and was a good starting point to the series. Great book."what exactly makes it "amazing", your "favorite", and "timeless"? How is it different from the other novels you've read? Is there anything that deals particularly with the ending of the book that you're especially keen on? Do you find this valuable? |
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joshiorio |
4. RE: Book Club: Ch. 23-27
Feb 3 2009, 9:41 AM EST
"This was the first Fleming book I read. I watched the movies, and I thought the books would be good. It was nothing like I expected. Good, but nothing like I thought. Got me hooked to read the rest!!! on From Russia, With Love right now... after that only 4 more!"What about the book didn't you expect? Did you read the books or watch the films first? What elements from the films were you expecting to see in the books? Do you find this valuable? |
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Topol |
5. RE: Book Club: Ch. 23-27
Feb 3 2009, 9:07 PM EST
"What about the book didn't you expect? Did you read the books or watch the films first? What elements from the films were you expecting to see in the books?"Well, I thought the books would have more action like the movies, but they were more plot... and I saw all the films before reading any of the books... just a very different reading style for me... only 14 years old... Do you find this valuable? |
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QuartermasterQ |
6. RE: Book Club: Ch. 23-27
Feb 4 2009, 3:12 PM EST
"what exactly makes it "amazing", your "favorite", and "timeless"? How is it different from the other novels you've read? Is there anything that deals particularly with the ending of the book that you're especially keen on?"Well, as I read some of the others, specifically Doctor No, I was completely bored. Nothing happened. Bond wouldnt shut up about Honey and that was basically the whole book. Whereas in Casino Royale, for me, it was nonstop action. The bombers, the cane gun, the tension of the card game of what card was to be layed down. And of course the the torture scene. Then, the mysterious eye-patch man (though i saw the movie, so i knew who he was) appears creating supsense and mystery. And the very last line "Yes, I said was. the bitch is dead" And although I did already see the movie first, so I was aware what was to happen, it was still somewhat mysterious with the question who was SMERSH? and others. It kept you guessing I thought. The book kept me on the edge of my seat, kept me interested. And I think it was that way because Fleming was starting fresh, not having anything to compare it to, not having to make it good enough for the audience because it was the first one and he had no idea it would become famous. He just wrote what came to him. The action, for me, never stopped. Thats why I think its amazing. Do you find this valuable? |
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JustinAtheropinion |
7. RE: Book Club: Ch. 23-27
Feb 4 2009, 9:47 PM EST
"Well, as I read some of the others, specifically Doctor No, I was completely bored. Nothing happened. Bond wouldnt shut up about Honey and that was basically the whole book. Whereas in Casino Royale, for me, it was nonstop action. The bombers, the cane gun, the tension of the card game of what card was to be layed down. And of course the the torture scene. Then, the mysterious eye-patch man (though i saw the movie, so i knew who he was) appears creating supsense and mystery. And the very last line "Yes, I said was. the bitch is dead"For me, it's the way Fleming can drive the narrative through the opening chapters setting up the situation, then you begin to see that this high-stakes game of cards has higher stakes than anyone suspects, and they begin to overlap each other. By the end of it, it takes a massive time of recuperation--during which Fleming can throw in one more complication--Bond's shifting ideals. You begin to see him slipping away and it takes a slap in the face for him to see the world he operates in for what it is. What I'd forgotten was how cold and calculating Bond is--on the beach he's already figuring out an exit strategy with Vesper when things start to go a bit South. he's cold and ruthless, not the suave, sophisticated ladies man that Connery, Lazenby and Moore established. Do you find this valuable? |
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QuartermasterQ |
8. RE: Book Club: Ch. 23-27
Feb 5 2009, 3:29 PM EST
"What I'd forgotten was how cold and calculating Bond is--on the beach he's already figuring out an exit strategy with Vesper when things start to go a bit South. he's cold and ruthless, not the suave, sophisticated ladies man that Connery, Lazenby and Moore established."Yes, Craig is defintely the "Book Bond" I can picture him acting it out as I read. Moore not once has come up in my mind as I read lol. Do you find this valuable? |
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joshiorio |
10. RE: Book Club: Ch. 23-27
Feb 5 2009, 10:07 PM EST
"Yes, Craig is defintely the "Book Bond" I can picture him acting it out as I read. Moore not once has come up in my mind as I read lol."and this is the jump that i've never understood. tell me exactly, using examples from both the novel and from the film, how craig's bond reflects the character of the literary bond. i see them as very much opposed, as i've tried to point out in other responses. sure, craig's bond is calculating, but so is every other bond. i actually think that craig's is the least calculating bond. where in the film does he choose calculation over action? Do you find this valuable? |
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JustinAtheropinion |
11. RE: Book Club: Ch. 23-27
Feb 7 2009, 3:25 AM EST
"and this is the jump that i've never understood.Well, it gets a bit boring to explain himself away every time, but: His seducing of Solange for information When he tells Vesper why he registers as "James Bond" When he tells Vesper why he deliberately lost a hand for the "tell." Do you find this valuable? |
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joshiorio |
12. RE: Book Club: Ch. 23-27
Feb 7 2009, 10:25 AM EST
"Well, it gets a bit boring to explain himself away every time, but:all good point, but most of the examples also shows a bond that's not what we've seen in the first novel: 1) bond doesn't seduce women for information 2) bond wouldn't have blown his cover. he's a servant of the crown, self-centered, cocky rebel that he is in the film 3) losing the hand to figure out the tell was clever, and just as in the books, bond's cleverness is often trumped by the villains. Do you find this valuable? |
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QuartermasterQ |
13. RE: Book Club: Ch. 23-27
Feb 8 2009, 1:14 PM EST
"all good point, but most of the examples also shows a bond that's not what we've seen in the first novel:True, but in the movie he had just become Bond whereas in the book he was already experienced. Do you find this valuable? |