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JustinAtheropinion
63. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Mar 8 2009, 5:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 8 2009, 5:54 PM EDT
And kool, if you though Craig's Bond wasn't out for revenge, you have seriously...SERIOUSLY mis-read Craig's take on Bond. Of course, he was out for revenge. He was taken off the assignment, (so much for duty) but kept going. The only lesson he learned was not being carried away by his desire for revenge to pull the trigger on Cabira, making him less of a loose cannon, and earning M's trust. Craig's Bond is a different guy around 'M' always...acting disciplined, but with his own agenda in his mind.

The thing he admires about 'M' is she's smarter than him, and can read him like a book, not falling for his "duty" line. And she's not stiff enough not to change her mind about policy regarding him and and her decisions. There's a mutual trust, based on mis-trust, which is fascinating, and very reminiscent of the book Bond and book "M." Fleming's Bond loved "the Old Man," but knew he'd be a cold-hearted bastard anytime it was necessary...but never do so without some very good, well-considered reasons.

You know, folks, we can be as slap-dash and surface-oriented in our discussions as we want to be. But, let's not be so focussed on the veneer, we don't do so without some background to back up our opinions...

Alright, back to your sand-box, kids. Do you find this valuable?    

spywholuvsu
64. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Mar 9 2009, 3:17 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 9 2009, 3:17 AM EDT
"watch daylights and see dalton is sooo much better than the conneree and more"
oh god, have u been playing in ur sandbox anon? sounds like u have, along w/ ur little water gun. Tha ERN Do you find this valuable?    

spywholuvsu
65. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Mar 9 2009, 3:18 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 9 2009, 3:18 AM EDT
"yes he does"
so do u, like some1 took ur candy. Tha ERN Do you find this valuable?    

spywholuvsu
66. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Mar 9 2009, 3:22 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 9 2009, 3:22 AM EDT
"Dalton was the best portrayal of Bond, but I'm looking at Craig's as a close challenger. Connery was the first, and all must bow before him (Lazenby and Brosnan certainly did), but his Bond was effete snob who could also snap your knee-caps. That's not Bond. (the effete snob thing, I mean).

Bond of Fleming's novels was a diligent, meticulous planner, a bit set in his ways, but hardly a snob. Dalton's Bond was pre-occupied with his job with the non-fatal flaw (so far...) of being distracted by pretty faces, and bodies. He found women fascinating, but ultimately irritating in their capacity to make him less focussed. This is something Dalton portrayed extremely well. He'd be irritated with Kara in TLD, but make a pass at her anyway, given the chance. And he wasn't above lying to her face to get information. Dalton's Bond is Fleming's Bond: a cad, who liked his lifestyle, but hated his job.

He also did something that I just thought was smashing that no one who's ever portrayed Bond has done before and since, showing just how much he knew his Bond. Fleming used one line over and over in the series to convey Bond at his darkest: "His eyes became fierce slits." Only Dalton did that--Glen even put it in tight close-up in TLD when Dalton says: "Yes. I got the message."

TBC
"
very, very good. i concur on all u said. congrats. Tha ERN 0  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
djakimovski
djakimovski
67. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Apr 26 2009, 1:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 26 2009, 1:33 PM EDT
im pretty happy right now. a topic i made has 67 posts! i still dont like dalton, though 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
djakimovski
djakimovski
68. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Apr 26 2009, 1:38 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 26 2009, 1:38 PM EDT
and by the way...isnt it u that said....''i know what i am'' in the thread called ""books"", well i know what i am Do you find this valuable?    

spywholuvsu
69. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Apr 27 2009, 1:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 27 2009, 1:14 AM EDT
"and by the way...isnt it u that said....''i know what i am'' in the thread called ""books"", well i know what i am"
by the way, i don't recall ever saying that 2 u, but, if i did, my apologies. Tha ERN Do you find this valuable?    

spywholuvsu
70. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Apr 27 2009, 1:16 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 27 2009, 1:16 AM EDT
"im pretty happy right now. a topic i made has 67 posts! i still dont like dalton, though"
i'm glad that u're happy, n respect ur opinion of Dalton, but, TD was a good Bond, certainly better than Roger Bond. Tha ERN Do you find this valuable?    

Posted Anonymously
71. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Apr 27 2009, 6:37 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 27 2009, 6:37 AM EDT
I just watch TLD today, I think Dalton's a little unsung; maybe it's just cos he only got to do 2 films. Oh well, after the wreckage of AVTAK, it was good that someone else could step in with a different approach and keep it going and ensure the series' future... :) Do you find this valuable?    

spywholuvsu
72. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Apr 27 2009, 12:05 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 27 2009, 12:05 PM EDT
"I just watch TLD today, I think Dalton's a little unsung; maybe it's just cos he only got to do 2 films. Oh well, after the wreckage of AVTAK, it was good that someone else could step in with a different approach and keep it going and ensure the series' future... :)"
amen 2 that,coz, had he not, who nos where the series might have gone 2. Tha ERN Do you find this valuable?    
koolkikij
koolkikij
73. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Apr 27 2009, 3:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 27 2009, 3:58 PM EDT
"by the way, i don't recall ever saying that 2 u, but, if i did, my apologies. Tha ERN"
i think that was directed towards me Do you find this valuable?    

spywholuvsu
74. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Apr 27 2009, 9:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 27 2009, 9:42 PM EDT
"i think that was directed towards me"
no prob, my good friend. what do u think of this 'SWINE FLU'? Blofeld @ it again from hiz Swiss Alps fortress w/ his Bacteriological Warfare on the free world? don't mean 2 make fun of the situation, but, it lends itself 2 it. Tha ERN

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koolkikij
koolkikij
75. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Apr 27 2009, 9:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 27 2009, 9:47 PM EDT
"no prob, my good friend. what do u think of this 'SWINE FLU'? Blofeld @ it again from hiz Swiss Alps fortress w/ his Bacteriological Warfare on the free world? don't mean 2 make fun of the situation, but, it lends itself 2 it. Tha ERN

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well, we have one suspected case of it up here in tha Michigan. i feel sorry for you, because you live in Texas. Do you find this valuable?    

spywholuvsu
76. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Apr 28 2009, 1:58 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 28 2009, 1:58 AM EDT
"well, we have one suspected case of it up here in tha Michigan. i feel sorry for you, because you live in Texas. "
don't my friend, i'm well protected. thanks 4 ur concern my friend. i'll b OK. Tha ERN Do you find this valuable?    

Posted Anonymously
77. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Apr 28 2009, 6:41 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 28 2009, 6:41 AM EDT
"amen 2 that,coz, had he not, who nos where the series might have gone 2. Tha ERN"
It might not have gone anywhere... and that woulda sucked. Imagine remembering AVTAK as the last Bond movie it would be kinda unsatisfying lol... Hands together for Timmy D. for making sure Bond is still alive and well to this day. :) Do you find this valuable?    

Posted Anonymously
78. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Apr 28 2009, 6:44 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 28 2009, 6:44 AM EDT
In fact, hands together for all SIX actors to play Bond for giving us an amazing franchise. Without their contributions the series may have ended years ago. Live on Bond. :) Do you find this valuable?    
hyperjet
hyperjet
79. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Apr 28 2009, 10:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 28 2009, 10:14 AM EDT
I agree, all six had a lot to contribute.
But to the original message on this thread, it's not really Dalton's fault Felix and his wife were fed to the sharks and Bond went on a rampage. While he personalized Bond's mannerisms, some dialogue perhaps, etc., wouldn't it be the writers that plunged Bond into darkness, not Dalton? Do you find this valuable?    

spywholuvsu
80. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Apr 28 2009, 1:35 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 28 2009, 1:35 PM EDT
"I agree, all six had a lot to contribute.
But to the original message on this thread, it's not really Dalton's fault Felix and his wife were fed to the sharks and Bond went on a rampage. While he personalized Bond's mannerisms, some dialogue perhaps, etc., wouldn't it be the writers that plunged Bond into darkness, not Dalton?"
exactly, most of the time, its not the actor/actress,music,movie, but the scriptwriters who don't give u much 2 work with, in the 1st place. so, mebbe we've been blaming the wrong source all this time? Tha ERN Do you find this valuable?    
hyperjet
hyperjet
81. RE: EVIL!!!!!
Apr 28 2009, 2:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 28 2009, 2:10 PM EDT
"exactly, most of the time, its not the actor/actress,music,movie, but the scriptwriters who don't give u much 2 work with, in the 1st place. so, mebbe we've been blaming the wrong source all this time? Tha ERN"
Well I think a bit too much stock is attributed to the main actors in movies; especially in a series like 007 when several actors play the same character. I would compare it to a President or Prime minister (no particular one) in that everything, whether good or bad, is automatically attributed to him when there are so many people who make decisions and other various factors involved. Do you find this valuable?    
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