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ChrisR70
Flemming Bond Vs. Movie Bond
Nov 17 2008, 1:49 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 17 2008, 1:49 PM EST
The movies historically have had little or nothing to do with the original Flemming Novels other than Titles and character names. The movie Bonds previously played by Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, and Bronson have never even come close to resembling the Character created by Ian Flemming in his novels. The Ian Flemming Bond was a plain man described as somewhat stout, with a scar on his face. He was an alcohoic, smoked three packs of cigarettes a day, a sexist, and a very cold blooded killer. In the novels Bond was severly hurt or nearly killed in almost every story, and their was no Q gagets. Bond carried a 9mm and drove a lincoln Mark 5 with a 44 in the glove compartment. Quite different from the movies where Bond was a ladies man who seldom ever even got his hair messed up, drove exotic cars and had an endless supply of gagets. Then along comes the last two installments featuring Daniel Craig. Casino Royal attempts to start over and is adapted from the Original Flemming novel. It actually follows the book closer than any other film except for "On Her Majesty's Secret Service." Daniel Craigs Character (although not quite there) is closer the the Flemming character than any other previous Bond. A very dark and dangerous killer. There has always been a discourse between Flemming novel fans and Fans of the Movies. One is usually either or, but not both. Fans of the Flemming novels usually do not like the movies. I think you may be seeing a reverse here as the franchise attempts to match the character closer to the original. Fans of the past movies may find a very different Bond. If you were a fan of the original novels you may find the last two installments to be the best; and Craig's character to be your favorite. If your a long time fan of the Movies and not the books you may not like the new Bond films at all. 14  out of 16 found this valuable. Do you?    
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1. RE: Flemming Bond Vs. Movie Bond
Apr 28 2011, 6:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Apr 28 2011, 6:16 PM EDT
The above statement is horribly inaccurate. Bond drove a Bentley IV (not a ******* Lincoln) and he carried a Beretta .25, a PPk, or a modified .38 snub-nose as his primary carry piece. He was not stout as much, and in fact was described as looking a lot like the piano player Hoagy Carmichael from the old days, and he was lean and did not fill out the shoulders of his jackets so that they hung off him like Sinatra's coats did. Descriptions suggest he was thugish, often more American-looking than British, but certainly a man who had been born and bred of the upper classes. He was an absolute ladies man in the novels as well as the books. What ChrisR70 did get right was that he usually took a severe beating during each of the novels and barely escaped with his life. Think of the sort of punishment Indy took in Raiders of the Lost Ark. I grew up on the Connery and Moore movies, but started reading the novels and fell in love with them around 1984. I prefer the novels to the films. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

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2. RE: Flemming Bond Vs. Movie Bond
Feb 28 2012, 12:25 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 28 2012, 12:25 PM EST
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Bondgirls4ever007
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3. RE: Flemming Bond Vs. Movie Bond
Apr 22 2012, 10:57 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 22 2012, 10:57 AM EDT
"The movies historically have had little or nothing to do with the original Flemming Novels other than Titles and character names. The movie Bonds previously played by Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, and Bronson have never even come close to resembling the Character created by Ian Flemming in his novels. The Ian Flemming Bond was a plain man described as somewhat stout, with a scar on his face. He was an alcohoic, smoked three packs of cigarettes a day, a sexist, and a very cold blooded killer. In the novels Bond was severly hurt or nearly killed in almost every story, and their was no Q gagets. Bond carried a 9mm and drove a lincoln Mark 5 with a 44 in the glove compartment. Quite different from the movies where Bond was a ladies man who seldom ever even got his hair messed up, drove exotic cars and had an endless supply of gagets. Then along comes the last two installments featuring Daniel Craig. Casino Royal attempts to start over and is adapted from the Original Flemming novel. It actually follows the book closer than any other film except for "On Her Majesty's Secret Service." Daniel Craigs Character (although not quite there) is closer the the Flemming character than any other previous Bond. A very dark and dangerous killer. There has always been a discourse between Flemming novel fans and Fans of the Movies. One is usually either or, but not both. Fans of the Flemming novels usually do not like the movies. I think you may be seeing a reverse here as the franchise attempts to match the character closer to the original. Fans of the past movies may find a very different Bond. If you were a fan of the original novels you may find the last two installments to be the best; and Craig's character to be your favorite. If your a long time fan of the Movies and not the books you may not like the new Bond films at all."
that is un true! i happen to like film bond AND novel bond
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Bondgirls4ever007
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4. RE: Flemming Bond Vs. Movie Bond
Apr 22 2012, 10:59 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 22 2012, 10:59 AM EDT
"The above statement is horribly inaccurate. Bond drove a Bentley IV (not a ******* Lincoln) and he carried a Beretta .25, a PPk, or a modified .38 snub-nose as his primary carry piece. He was not stout as much, and in fact was described as looking a lot like the piano player Hoagy Carmichael from the old days, and he was lean and did not fill out the shoulders of his jackets so that they hung off him like Sinatra's coats did. Descriptions suggest he was thugish, often more American-looking than British, but certainly a man who had been born and bred of the upper classes. He was an absolute ladies man in the novels as well as the books. What ChrisR70 did get right was that he usually took a severe beating during each of the novels and barely escaped with his life. Think of the sort of punishment Indy took in Raiders of the Lost Ark. I grew up on the Connery and Moore movies, but started reading the novels and fell in love with them around 1984. I prefer the novels to the films."
is there a book where he isnt severely beaten? i have only red casino royale, live and let die and diamonds are forever. i ordered moonraker from eBay. fat lot of use they were.
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Bondgirls4ever007
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Apr 22 2012, 11:01 AM EDT | Post edited: Apr 22 2012, 11:01 AM EDT
" What ChrisR70 did get right was that he usually took a severe beating during each of the novels and barely escaped with his life."
i have only read casino royale, live and let die and diamonds are forever. what happens in the others?
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Aug 18 2012, 3:06 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 18 2012, 3:06 PM EDT
I'm okay with this bond, I just want the darn gadgets back! even if they had nothing to do with the novels :P anyway, I grew up with Pierce Brosnan's Bond and his are my favourite movies, but trying to make it look more like the novels is good for a change, imo.
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