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Discussion: Why the hell did they have to reboot the series????
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Anonymous |
Why the hell did they have to reboot the series????
Jul 25 2008, 5:15 AM EDT This makes the series lose all credibility to me. I loved the series, it's the most successful movie series of all time, and didn't need to be restarted. Batman Begins restarted a series that badly needed it, and ever since then it's like all series' seem to be jumping on the "prequel" bandwagon. Poorly. Scared to simply make a sequel, and keep continuing the story, but with better quality. Batman Begins would have been much better as Batman 5 2 out of 13 found this valuable. Do you? |
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RE: Why the hell did they have to reboot the series????
Jul 25 2008, 5:20 AM EDT yea and the dark night that i just saw WAS BETTER THAN EVERY BOND MOVIE PUT INTO 1 AND IT WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS 1 OF THE BEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME AND OF CORSE THE BEST SUPERHERO MOVIE EVER* 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
 mkfreeberg |
RE: Why the hell did they have to reboot the series????
Jul 25 2008, 9:00 AM EDT It has to do with two things that were messed up about Bond from the very beginning, and they both have to do with mistakes Ian Fleming made that might have seemed innocuous at first but snowballed over time. One, the rights to Casino Royale were sold to CBS for a song. It's interesting to speculate whether, had he not done this, the movies would have been made in sequence. Perhaps not; but if they had, as it's been discussed elsewhere, the EON series would have made much more sense. Two, as far as the charges Kevin McClory leveled against him for ripping off the Thunderball story, it seems the facts strongly suggest Fleming was guilty as hell. And this caused a nightmarish cascade of glitches. The cafeteria of stainless steel, Blofeld becoming the villain in Diamonds Are Forever, Blofeld failing to recognize Bond at Piz Gloria even though he should've been able to; the whole SMERSH/S.P.E.C.T.R.E. thing is partially due to this as well. While Die Another Day is a far superior movie to Batman and Robin, it was equally damaging as a "bad steer" of it's respective franchise, directing it into a cul de sac from which said franchise had been unable to retreat. The cool story arc in the books about hunting down a deadly shadowy criminal syndicate from one installment to the next, that had been jettisoned, and it never could have been recovered in a sequel to Die Another Day. You'll notice, post-reboot, they're making a high priority of recovering this even compared to bringing back Q and Moneypenny. And doing a fine job of it, too. Do you find this valuable? |
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RE: Why the hell did they have to reboot the series????
Jul 25 2008, 11:31 AM EDT "While Die Another Day is a far superior movie to Batman and Robin"yea but lets compare the new movie qos and the dark night THE DARK NIGHT WINS END OF STORY 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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um there is an origional casino royal
Jul 26 2008, 5:53 AM EDT a there is a classic version of casino royal so it is in the james bond series it's the first movie not dr no second they needed 2 do whatever they could to keep brosnan not that idiot that plays him now. common he makes bond look like that charecter from get smart Do you find this valuable? |
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RE: um there is an origional casino royal
Oct 3 2008, 10:17 PM EDT yeah but the original casino royale was a spoof and not part of the eon series 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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QuartermasterQ |
RE: Why the hell did they have to reboot the series????
Oct 3 2008, 10:18 PM EDT totally agree with you on this 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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RE: Why the hell did they have to reboot the series????
Oct 12 2008, 3:30 AM EDT The Bond series has been re-booted several times over the years, usually because the franchise has slipped perilously close to parody; the gritty FOR YOUR EYES ONLY was the antithesis of the cartoon antics of MOONRAKER, the harder edge displayed by THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS and particularly LICENCE TO KILL was a direct response to the silliness so prevalent in A VIEW TO A KILL, and the dark tone established by CASINO ROYALE brought a much-needed seriousness back to Bond after the outlandish nonsense which severely undermined DIE ANOTHER DAY. Hopefully, the producers won't repeat past mistakes and allow the series to descend into self-parody once again. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Anonymous |
RE: um there is an origional casino royal
Nov 13 2008, 9:05 PM EST The original Casino Royal... was made AFTER Dr No. It was made in 1967 whereas Dr.No came out in 1962. Not to mention, it was made as a "spy movie spoof" and had James bond coming out of retirement to take on SMERSH which was a spoof of SPECTRE. It was NOT EVEN MADE by MGM, it is NOT part of the "official" Bond series... Do you find this valuable? |
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RE to beatlehead: Why the hell did they have to reboot the series????
Nov 13 2008, 9:12 PM EST Idk, beatlehead... They re-vamped it a few times, I agree with you there... but that came partly from the varying directors and such... DIE ANOTHER DAY, agreed, was not one of their better films, but I would hardly call it "outlandish nonsense"... And yes... MOONRAKER was a bit silly... But what they did with CASINO ROYALE was completely different... while it did give it the much needed darker tone, it platformed it as James Bond's FIRST mission, that he just got his "00" license... They completely ignored ALL the old movies... and there were ways around that... Like... setting the movie in 1961 or something... Do you find this valuable? |
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RE to mkfreeberg: Why the hell did they have to reboot the series????
Nov 13 2008, 9:21 PM EST The whole SMERSH/SPECTRE problem had nothing to do with the Thunderball situation... SMERSH was made entirely for a spy movie spoof done by Columbia Pictures called "Casino Royale" in 1967. That movie isn't even considered part of the Bond Series, as it has an "old" James Bond come out of retirement to take on SMERSH... Do you find this valuable? |
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RE: RE to mkfreeberg: Why the hell did they have to reboot the series????
Nov 13 2008, 11:02 PM EST Okay, I have trouble keeping some of this stuff straight because in some of Fleming's novels he did indeed rely on SPECTRE instead of SMERSH. But SMERSH was there from the very beginning, with the real Casino Royale written in '52 and published in '53. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_(novel). It was also used in the book From Russia With Love, which, when it was made into a movie in '63, was the catalyst of the whole foreign-relations dilemma. Not entirely sure how Thunderball fits into the SPECTRE/SMERSH thing -- I could open a new tab and go look it up, but I'm lazy. My comments didn't conflate these two situations anyway. Fleming biffed it by ripping of McClory. Eon biffed it by doing this SPECTRE/SMERSH shell game, and making the movies out of sequence. I find it somewhat understandable, since it was the sixties...people weren't that wild about a wall-to-wall storyline saga making sense, they just liked their spy movies. But still. Do you find this valuable? |
