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mkfreeberg
mkfreeberg
Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Jul 18 2008, 10:52 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 18 2008, 10:52 AM EDT
Interesting article. Discusses the conflicts Ian Fleming had with some of the the church elders who felt his thrillers were "anti-Christian," etc.

http://timesonline.typepad.com/faith/2008/04/was-james-bond.html
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lg007
lg007
1. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
May 28 2009, 1:12 PM EDT | Post edited: May 28 2009, 1:12 PM EDT
"Interesting article. Discusses the conflicts Ian Fleming had with some of the the church elders who felt his thrillers were "anti-Christian," etc.

http://timesonline.typepad.com/faith/2008/04/was-james-bond.html"
Interesting...
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QuartermasterQ
QuartermasterQ
2. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Jun 1 2009, 2:52 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 1 2009, 2:52 AM EDT
"Interesting article. Discusses the conflicts Ian Fleming had with some of the the church elders who felt his thrillers were "anti-Christian," etc.

http://timesonline.typepad.com/faith/2008/04/was-james-bond.html"
Christians need to get over themselves. Theyre just books, theyre entertainment, fiction. Theyre meant to be fun and enjoyable. Bond books are violent? So were the Inquisition and the Crusades.
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koolkikij
koolkikij
3. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Jun 1 2009, 3:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 1 2009, 3:46 PM EDT
"Christians need to get over themselves. Theyre just books, theyre entertainment, fiction. Theyre meant to be fun and enjoyable. Bond books are violent? So were the Inquisition and the Crusades.
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PRECISELY! couldnt have said it better myelf
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omibond
omibond
4. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Jun 2 2009, 9:04 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 2 2009, 9:04 PM EDT
"PRECISELY! couldnt have said it better myelf"
i agree bond is meant for a fun read. bringing religion into it is stupid.
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QuartermasterQ
QuartermasterQ
5. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Jun 5 2009, 5:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 5 2009, 5:25 PM EDT
I'd say Bond has faith in justice as well as himself. If he only had faith in himself, a lot of times he would probably have given up on a job, because he wouldn't care. So he obviously has faith in justice and in his country if he actually gets the jobs done. Then again perhaps he just sees it as a paycheck and only gets paid if he does the job and survives. ..............???? Do you find this valuable?    
koolkikij
koolkikij
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Jun 29 2009, 3:01 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 29 2009, 3:01 PM EDT
"I'd say Bond has faith in justice as well as himself. If he only had faith in himself, a lot of times he would probably have given up on a job, because he wouldn't care. So he obviously has faith in justice and in his country if he actually gets the jobs done. Then again perhaps he just sees it as a paycheck and only gets paid if he does the job and survives. ..............????"
so, the larger question is "what motivates bond?"
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Broton
Broton
7. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Jun 29 2009, 3:20 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 29 2009, 3:20 PM EDT
"so, the larger question is "what motivates bond?""
Some interesting comments. Speaking for myself, I don't necessarily see Bond of thinking of his job as "just a paycheck". There are easier (and safer) ways of making money. So many times, in both the Fleming books and the films, I'd come across passages where Bond openly preferred his 00 status, and the excitement it brought. A man looking for just a paycheck wouldn't have contemplated committing suicide beneath the Moonraker (as depicted in the novel). A man looking for just a paycheck would've quit the Service much earlier (at the very least after the business with LeChiffre and the chair). As with your opening comment, I would agree that Bond is genuinely motivated by a sense of Justice and a loyalty to his country.
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QuartermasterQ
QuartermasterQ
8. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Jun 29 2009, 5:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 29 2009, 5:44 PM EDT
"Some interesting comments. Speaking for myself, I don't necessarily see Bond of thinking of his job as "just a paycheck". There are easier (and safer) ways of making money. So many times, in both the Fleming books and the films, I'd come across passages where Bond openly preferred his 00 status, and the excitement it brought. A man looking for just a paycheck wouldn't have contemplated committing suicide beneath the Moonraker (as depicted in the novel). A man looking for just a paycheck would've quit the Service much earlier (at the very least after the business with LeChiffre and the chair). As with your opening comment, I would agree that Bond is genuinely motivated by a sense of Justice and a loyalty to his country."
Exactly. I said the whole paycheck thing mearly to start conversation, I dont agree with it either. The man has faith in his job because of the justice that is served and knowing that he contributes to it. Plus, he's good at it. People prefer that which they are good at performing.
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Broton
Broton
9. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Jun 29 2009, 8:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 29 2009, 8:34 PM EDT
"Exactly. I said the whole paycheck thing mearly to start conversation, I dont agree with it either. The man has faith in his job because of the justice that is served and knowing that he contributes to it. Plus, he's good at it. People prefer that which they are good at performing."
I think your use of "contributes" is key. I've observed that Bond tends to be irritated the most when he feels he's being consciously left out of the loop in regards to something. He takes pride in being brought into full confidence.
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QuartermasterQ
QuartermasterQ
10. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Jun 30 2009, 2:01 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 30 2009, 2:01 PM EDT
"I think your use of "contributes" is key. I've observed that Bond tends to be irritated the most when he feels he's being consciously left out of the loop in regards to something. He takes pride in being brought into full confidence."
Correct. There have been examples when M takes Bond off a job to which he responds with anger and completes it on his own. He needs to be part of it all.
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Dalton007
Dalton007
11. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Jul 1 2009, 2:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 1 2009, 2:29 PM EDT
"Christians need to get over themselves. Theyre just books, theyre entertainment, fiction. Theyre meant to be fun and enjoyable. Bond books are violent? So were the Inquisition and the Crusades.
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Amen to that my dear man. Good point. Enjoy a cold Guinness. Cheers. \~/ \~/
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QuartermasterQ
QuartermasterQ
12. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Jul 27 2009, 2:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 27 2009, 2:58 PM EDT
"Amen to that my dear man. Good point. Enjoy a cold Guinness. Cheers. \~/ \~/"
Thank you, though im bit young for that : )
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13. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Jul 27 2009, 7:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 27 2009, 7:57 PM EDT
"Thank you, though im bit young for that : )"
We'll keep one ready for you.
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Dalton007
Dalton007
14. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Jul 27 2009, 10:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 27 2009, 10:44 PM EDT
"i agree bond is meant for a fun read. bringing religion into it is stupid."
Amen!
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Dalton007
Dalton007
15. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Jul 27 2009, 10:46 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 27 2009, 10:46 PM EDT
"We'll keep one ready for you."
If I don't drink that 'one ready' for him before he's old enuff. (burp) Oops, sorry. :-/
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tsmessi
tsmessi
16. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Jul 31 2009, 6:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 6:14 AM EDT

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Broton
Broton
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Jul 31 2009, 3:31 PM EDT | Post edited: Jul 31 2009, 3:31 PM EDT
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Welcome aboard. Park your Aston Martin and stay awhile.
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QuartermasterQ
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18. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Aug 8 2009, 3:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 8 2009, 3:19 PM EDT
"We'll keep one ready for you."
Thanks : )
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mooremaniac
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19. RE: Faith In Anything Besides Himself?
Sep 7 2009, 5:43 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 7 2009, 5:43 AM EDT
When we read a novel or watch a movie, we are actually making an agreement with the author or director to suspend our beleif and be carried into realms of fantasy.Bringing religion into a cult hit is a fool's job Do you find this valuable?    
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