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mach10
mach10
Blame it on the scripts!!!!
Jul 13 2008, 8:29 PM EDT
As an stage actor... Dalton certainly had the skills to pulll off being 007.....But even an actor of his caliber can do so much with the scripts he was working with....

This all points back to the mid eighties falling off of Bond and the exiting of Roger Moore ...whom had sucessfully used antics both comedic and ill-dramtic to make Bond work and this was good for Roger Moore tenure ....but bad for the reality check Dalton was trying to convey!!!!

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vid
RE: Blame it on the scripts!!!!
Jul 13 2008, 8:55 PM EDT
"As an stage actor... Dalton certainly had the skills to pulll off being 007.....But even an actor of his caliber can do so much with the scripts he was working with....

This all points back to the mid eighties falling off of Bond and the exiting of Roger Moore ...whom had sucessfully used antics both comedic and ill-dramtic to make Bond work and this was good for Roger Moore tenure ....but bad for the reality check Dalton was trying to convey!!!!

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yes i agree
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GeorgeLazenby
GeorgeLazenby
RE: Blame it on the scripts!!!!
Jul 13 2008, 9:52 PM EDT
"As an stage actor... Dalton certainly had the skills to pulll off being 007.....But even an actor of his caliber can do so much with the scripts he was working with....

This all points back to the mid eighties falling off of Bond and the exiting of Roger Moore ...whom had sucessfully used antics both comedic and ill-dramtic to make Bond work and this was good for Roger Moore tenure ....but bad for the reality check Dalton was trying to convey!!!!

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No, no, no way the scripts have nothing to do with it! I love Dalton, a top 3 in my mind, but do not blame anything on the scripts! A good actor can move around the script, or can work with the script.

But hey he was a top 3.
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mkfreeberg
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RE: Blame it on the scripts!!!!
Jul 13 2008, 11:36 PM EDT
Regarding the times, I'm of two minds about it.

For one thing, yes when Soviet Russia becomes far less of a world threat and AIDS is more of a health concern, I can appreciate it's a much stiffer challenge to come up with a good contemporary Bond story. TLD and LTK -- that's two-fer-two outings for Dalton, both of them have to do with fighting drug dealers. James Bond fighting drug dealers is like Superman trying to have an adventure after he's already told Lois Lane who he really is. The magic is gone. Bond has to take this guy down or else...drugs are going to be allowed onto city streets? But they're already there. So the suspense is gone.

There were other factors too. AVTAK was an *exceptionally* weak baton-passing from Mr. Moore. The push for womens' liberation had just passed a climax with the drama that was involved in attempting to pass the Equal Rights Amendment, and the American money was in the mood to back more female-oriented and sensitive movie genres.

But on the other hand -- Goldeneye did fine. It was an awesome story about a threat that rose up specifically because the old soviet arsenal had been released onto the world black market (a real-life threat). The cold war was still over in '95, we were still worried about AIDS. But Bond did fine. So you know, those above are really only excuses.

In the end, I think you have to blame it on human nature. We have an unfortunate tendency to figure out which way the parade's going, and follow it, to the neglect of common sense. Dalton was unfairly saddled with this burden, probably more than any other Bond actor. Plus his approach to the character was unique, certainly not a bad one, but it was a bit much for the fans to swallow when they didn't have the energy saved up to pay that much attention to the Bond franchise.

Just bad timing...at least, for him.
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mach10
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RE: Blame it on the scripts!!!!
Jul 14 2008, 3:53 PM EDT
"No, no, no way the scripts have nothing to do with it! I love Dalton, a top 3 in my mind, but do not blame anything on the scripts! A good actor can move around the script, or can work with the script.

But hey he was a top 3."
I think your point is true when it comes to the method actor but not an prepared actor like Dalton.

Marlon Brando, Warren Beatty, Robert De Niro ands James Dean could bring scripts alive.

Dalton aproach to bond was on the basis of what he was given and that inline approach is opposite of the bad boy swagger that the most successful Bond actors brought to the role.

The Dalton approached will certainly garner more respect by Bond loyalist in the future.
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Green-Arrow
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RE: Blame it on the scripts!!!!
Jul 14 2008, 8:13 PM EDT
The two stories during the Dalton era were two of the most *personal* Bond stories -- they were far less about the evil plot he was up against and more about Bond's personal loyalties (to Pushkin, to the murdered British agents, to Felix) and the loyalties of others (notably, Felix and Q), not to mention personal betrayal (Koskov) -- LTK alone is an almost unending series of betrayals and retributions amongst Bond, Sanchez, the CIA, and Sanchez's organization.

Incidentally, Bond's not fighting the war on drugs in these two films -- he's fighting the men themselves, although drugs happen to be the way they finance their operations (as was also the case with Kananga and Kristatos). In both cases, the fact that he upsets a drug empire is incidental -- what he's after is revenge for the killing of 00 agents (TLD) and the personal attack on Felix and Della (LTK).

It's interesting that of the first 16 Bond films, the 3 most personal ones were Lazenby's and Dalton's. The Bonds of Connery and Moore, for all their differences, were both larger than life and emotionally unapproachable. It took Lazenby to give us a vulnerable Bond, and Dalton to give us a wrathful Bond.

Although Tim wasn't my favorite, he did tighten the focus on the character and gave the series a much-needed break from stainless-steel megasets, world-domination schemes, and endless hordes of gun-toting henchmen. It was a transitional period for both Bond and the world in general, and if nothing else, the series got smarter and grittier during Dalton's tenure.
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RE: Blame it on the scripts!!!!
Jul 15 2008, 2:19 AM EDT
"The two stories during the Dalton era were two of the most *personal* Bond stories -- they were far less about the evil plot he was up against and more about Bond's personal loyalties (to Pushkin, to the murdered British agents, to Felix) and the loyalties of others (notably, Felix and Q), not to mention personal betrayal (Koskov) -- LTK alone is an almost unending series of betrayals and retributions amongst Bond, Sanchez, the CIA, and Sanchez's organization.

Incidentally, Bond's not fighting the war on drugs in these two films -- he's fighting the men themselves, although drugs happen to be the way they finance their operations (as was also the case with Kananga and Kristatos). In both cases, the fact that he upsets a drug empire is incidental -- what he's after is revenge for the killing of 00 agents (TLD) and the personal attack on Felix and Della (LTK).

It's interesting that of the first 16 Bond films, the 3 most personal ones were Lazenby's and Dalton's. The Bonds of Connery and Moore, for all their differences, were both larger than life and emotionally unapproachable. It took Lazenby to give us a vulnerable Bond, and Dalton to give us a wrathful Bond.

Although Tim wasn't my favorite, he did tighten the focus on the character and gave the series a much-needed break from stainless-steel megasets, world-domination schemes, and endless hordes of gun-toting henchmen. It was a transitional period for both Bond and the world in general, and if nothing else, the series got smarter and grittier during Dalton's tenure.u"
Thats Ture And Bond Did Get Smart And i just finish watching every ep of Get Smart.

But That Was Ture He Did Make Bond Smarter And He Way Of Playing Bond Let Brosnan And Craig Be Dark As Bond

The Bond Flims I Cryed While Watching

OHMSS--- At The End Where The Wife Got Shot
Octorpussy--- I Dont Know How I Cryed In That one But I Did
The Living Daylights---^^^^
LTK-- Somehow I Cryed In The Shark Part
Die Another Day--- GIVE ME THE F*** CAR STOP DROPING IT FROM CARS DUMMY BOND WHO WOULD OF BEEN A STUNT MAN OR CGI ANI
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