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Goldeneye
Mar 28 2008, 12:33 PM EDT This film was good, but it had to much uneeded violence. 2 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Cedric(006) |
RE: Goldeneye
Mar 29 2008, 9:36 AM EDT Too Much? That is the best part of Bond! Goldeneye had probably on of the few beliveable plots, alnog with goldfinger and a few other. Alec was a great villian(006). his beytral did something to bond, like Le chiffre did. AS for the bond girls, Xenia Onatopp brought some MUCH needed violence :P >>>>God save the Queen<<<< Do you find this valuable? |
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RE: Goldeneye
Jun 25 2008, 3:21 AM EDT Yea We Needed Xenia Onatopp I Would To Like Sex With Her If I Was 1 Of 006 Helpers Because If I Am Inportant She Kills Mand And 006 Kills Her Then GSKR God Save Kevin Rudd Do you find this valuable? |
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Cedric(006) |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 25 2008, 4:52 PM EDT "Yea We Needed Xenia Onatopp I Would To Like Sex With Her If I Was 1 Of 006 Helpers Because If I Am Inportant She Kills Mand And 006 Kills Her ThenI remember watching him debating John Howard(?) for the prime minister of Australia on the BBC here in Manchester. Then like two hours after being sworn in he signed the Kyoto Protocol. That is what he'll truely be remembered for. Hopefu;lly, for you americans, that a DEMOCRAT wins this yer. He held up our end of the bargin by getting rid of Blair. Now get rid of Bush and the Rupublicans!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Cedric >>>>God Save The Queen<<<< Do you find this valuable? |
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Anonymous |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 26 2008, 11:02 AM EDT "I remember watching him debating John Howard(?) for the prime minister of Australia on the BBC here in Manchester. Then like two hours after being sworn in he signed the Kyoto Protocol. That is what he'll truely be remembered for. Hopefu;lly, for you americans, that a DEMOCRAT wins this yer. He held up our end of the bargin by getting rid of Blair.Yes, by all means let's pretend we can save the planet by unplugging our toasters and our coffee pots. Let's voluntarily turn in our guns, rely in public services anytime someone is breaking into our houses even if the response time is an hour or more, sign Kyoto, eat less meat, travel less, work less, live less life, refuse to recognize enemies even when there are people who'd give their very lives to blow us up, apologize for our very existences...and then of course we'll have no need for Commander Bond whatsoever. No need for a Bond Bad Guy either. We'll just gradually flicker out like a flame on a candle. Feh. Life is for living. (Disclaimer 1 of 2. Politics don't mix with Bond. I'm responding to something someone else said.) (Disclaimer 2 of 2. Someone will disagree with this, maybe Ced, maybe someone else. When that person retorts, he'll talk about cute buzzwords like "Katrina," "Iraq," "WMD," "deficit," etc. He won't talk about a central philosophy like I did, because the central philosophy to conservatism is the glory of living and the nobility of personal responsibility, the vanquishing of evil, and self-defense, and the core philosophy of liberalism is self-destruction, nihilism, apathy and death.) Cedric, you're just trying to get a rise outta me. ONE of these days, it will fail. ;-) Do you find this valuable? |
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Cedric(006) |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 26 2008, 3:39 PM EDT "Yes, by all means let's pretend we can save the planet by unplugging our toasters and our coffee pots. Let's voluntarily turn in our guns, rely in public services anytime someone is breaking into our houses even if the response time is an hour or more, sign Kyoto, eat less meat, travel less, work less, live less life, refuse to recognize enemies even when there are people who'd give their very lives to blow us up, apologize for our very existences...and then of course we'll have no need for Commander Bond whatsoever.First off, please sign out, you cowerd. Second, this HAS ABSOLUTLY NOTHING TO DO WITH BOND!!!!! IM NOT A FAN OF THE KYOTO PROTOCAL, IM JUST SAYING, A GUTY SIGNING SOMETHING 30 MINUTES RIGHT AFTER HE'S PRIME MINISTER! NOT COOL! Im just voicing my opinion. I did not like Bush. Terrible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Politics dont mmix with Bond.... This has nothing to do with Bond. Please, next time sign in, so I can say this directly to you, you ass. Pardon my French. I take it your a Rupublican. I know this because your a coward. Cedric Do you find this valuable? |
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Cedric(006) |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 26 2008, 3:42 PM EDT "Yes, by all means let's pretend we can save the planet by unplugging our toasters and our coffee pots. Let's voluntarily turn in our guns, rely in public services anytime someone is breaking into our houses even if the response time is an hour or more, sign Kyoto, eat less meat, travel less, work less, live less life, refuse to recognize enemies even when there are people who'd give their very lives to blow us up, apologize for our very existences...and then of course we'll have no need for Commander Bond whatsoever.Oh now i got it!!!! This is Mkfreeberg!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you find this valuable? |
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Anonymous |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 26 2008, 8:54 PM EDT "the central philosophy to conservatism is the glory of living"...if you're a rich white male. The central philosophy to conservatism is the conservation of the status quo -- making sure the rich remain rich, the poor remain poor, and the disenfranchised remain marginalized and without a voice. The central philosophy to liberalism is tolerance and acceptance, civility and pluralism, liberty and equality. If you want to distill it down even further, conservatives believe EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF and liberals believe LOVE THY NEIGHBOR. Do you find this valuable? |
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mkfreeberg |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 26 2008, 9:55 PM EDT "Oh now i got it!!!! This is Mkfreeberg!!!!!!!!!!!!"Yes. A "cowerd" I am not. I have big huge testicles that need their own wheelbarrow. I just can't remember to sign in. :-) You confuse senility with cowardliness, m'friend across the pond. And your spelling sucks. But now that you've broached the subject, I've been wondering this for awhile. How come -- I'm grasping here for a term that will retain it's meaning on a global basis, since "liberal" has different meanings in your part of the world than it does in mine -- how come people whose political persuasion is generally "on the left" feel entitled to bring up issues of politics, where they don't belong, and then when they learn someone else doesn't echo their viewpoints they feel entitled to blow the bloody whistle? I had an Obama supporter tell me exactly that in an e-mail lately. THEY...should be able to go into an office, in the middle of the workday, and proceed with their "Can I Get An Amen Here?" stuff. WE...those who disagree with them...should keep our opinions out of the workplace. Yes, it's a double standard, but that's just the way it works, and we need to get used to it. Yes, he came out and said it. But it doesn't seem to be just him. It seems to be a global thing. You Bush haters are entitled to your opinions, but no one can disagree with you. Anyway -- Bond is absolutely a conservative. He minds his own business, insists others mind theirs, doesn't want to mix & mingle, wants to be left alone. Until he finds out some lunatic wants to blow up the world, then he'll sacrifice life and limb for strangers he's never met and never will meet. Liberals are the opposite. They insist we're all in the same boat when there's no danger, and then when there is some, it's every man for himself. Do you find this valuable? |
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Cedric(006) |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 26 2008, 10:07 PM EDT "Yes. A "cowerd" I am not. I have big huge testicles that need their own wheelbarrow. I just can't remember to sign in. :-) You confuse senility with cowardliness, m'friend across the pond.I was just joking Mk. i really love your opinions and value them. Your writting style is unqie, and is great. In fact, expect a compliment, not for your wheelbarrow size balls, but for your comments. I cannot help my writing sucks. Sry :-( Cedric Do you find this valuable? |
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mkfreeberg |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 26 2008, 10:11 PM EDT "...if you're a rich white male.And to you, my anonymous friend... ...what's rich white male have to do with anything? What color is the right to own a personal firearm? And what's loving your neighbor got to do with the idea that a bunch of office workers "had it coming" when a bunch of maniacs plowed airplanes into their buildings and burned them to death? What's loving your neighbor have to do with FORCING people to pay more in taxes so the money can be given away to able-bodied simpletons who just sit on the butts all day? Recommend you follow my lead, and sign in with your real name next time...before Cecil calls you a coward... Do you find this valuable? |
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mkfreeberg |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 26 2008, 10:12 PM EDT "I was just joking Mk. i really love your opinions and value them. Your writting style is unqie, and is great. In fact, expect a compliment, not for your wheelbarrow size balls, but for your comments. I cannot help my writing sucks. Sry :-(Quite alright, like I said I know you're just lookin' for a rise. As for making a glitch, we ALL do that. Do you find this valuable? |
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Cedric(006) |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 26 2008, 10:14 PM EDT "Quite alright, like I said I know you're just lookin' for a rise. As for making a glitch, we ALL do that."i love your writing, and somethimes I like to anger those to see their views. It is mean, but I love to do it. I am internally sorrofull for my actions. Cedric Do you find this valuable? |
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joshiorio |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 26 2008, 10:19 PM EDT i think bond is apolitical. he does what his government tells him to do... doesn't matter if it's liberal or conservative, democrat, republican. he's a soldier and he does his job. but, we do get some glimpses though of political / ethical stances bond's taken in the novels. he gave 10k to jill masterton in Goldfinger becasue he pittied her and wanted to give her some advantage because of her bad luck in life. in a number of novels he takes a strong stance against marijuana use. he is not religious. he does not hold life sacred (generally). Can we think of other ways that Bond has taken political or ethical stances through his actions in either the books or the films? Do you find this valuable? |
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Cedric(006) |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 26 2008, 10:23 PM EDT Well any move he makes is political. All his missions are "For England". as told in GoldenEye (how approiate for this thread). They are also "For King (Queen) and Country" So basically he adds the political element in his missions. Cedric Do you find this valuable? |
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Green-Arrow |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 26 2008, 11:00 PM EDT Ah, but Bond is manifestly an *instrument* of policy, for better or worse. He is not a political creature -- the "goodness" or "morality" of his actions are mere echoes of the goodness or morality of his government. Bond is professionally amoral and apolitical -- although his personal politics do come to light when he defies his masters: not assassinating Pushkin as ordered in TLD; going after Felix and Della's assassins in LTK; assaulting Piz Gloria in OHMSS. But even those are instances of personal loyalty more than political leanings. Do you find this valuable? |
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mkfreeberg |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 26 2008, 11:34 PM EDT Good observation, I was thinking of the Pushkin thing as well. The stories all seem to have it in common that the man is sort of a modern-day "Knight of the Round Table." There is an inherent contradiction in that, in that nearly all the stories include a moment in which 007 sees what needs doing and does it, usually with an objective out of scope from the statement of the mission (stopping Drax from poisoning the world comes to mind). I don't really think this is supposed to be over-thought too much. Because in real-life, someone who was so private and so cynical about human life, would find out Renard wants to irradiate Istanbul and his reaction would be "yeah...so what of it." The Bond we know from the movies seems to regard all human affairs as rather trite and petty in the first half of the movie, and in the second half all of humanity is suddenly sacred and worth saving. I think, working with real human profiles, you'd run into a problem reconciling that...and you'd have to do that in order to realistically assign Bond an ideological position. Do you find this valuable? |
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00seven |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 27 2008, 2:03 AM EDT <peeps head in> Hmmm seems to be calming down a bit in here. <Draws up a chair and takes out newspaper> Dont mind me guys, carry on....this is quite entertaining. Do you find this valuable? |
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joshiorio |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 27 2008, 9:03 AM EDT "although his personal politics do come to light when he defies his masters: not assassinating Pushkin as ordered in TLD; going after Felix and Della's assassins in LTK; assaulting Piz Gloria in OHMSS. But even those are instances of personal loyalty more than political leanings. "it seems to me like these aren't politically motivated (as you say), but rather motivated by Bond's moral code... which dictates that loyalty to friends is paramount. bond tells us in one of the early novels (maybe LALD?) that he has a hard time making friends (partially because of his job, and partially because of his personality). one of Bond's true friends in the novels is felix leiter, a relationship which doesn't seem to make it over to the big screen. Do you find this valuable? |
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Green-Arrow |
RE: Goldeneye
Jun 27 2008, 12:32 PM EDT The thing about Bond is, the villains he faces have such over-the-top evil schemes going, that his opposition to them transcends politics. For instance, Alec Trevelyan's plan to use the GoldenEye to wipe out all records of ownership in London is certainly politically motivated, but the simple fact that millions of innocents will be killed in the process vastly overshadows any political undertones. Stopping Alec is not a political end -- it's just a simple and clear necessity, regardless of one's political leanings. Trying to think of a *truly* political moment for Bond -- one where neither personal loyalty nor the necessity of stopping monstrous evil come into play -- and I can think of only two: The first, as mentioned before, is when Bond refuses to assassinate Puskin, contrary to direct orders. Although he is playing a hunch here, the truth is Bond feels that smoking out Koskov has more value than carrying out his specific mission to kill the man responsible for the deaths of several British agents (as MI6 has been led to believe). That sort of decision has significant political consequences, and it really doesn't seem like the kind of decision that should be left to a field operative. The other instance I can think of is when Bond destroys the ATAC at the end of FYEO. His mission, specifically, is to recover the transmitter, and given that several British agents have lost their lives through the machinations of Kristatos, one could argue that Bond's choosing the preservation of detente over a successful recovery of the MacGuffin is a betrayal of their sacrifice. The interesting thing about both of these instances is that Bond, who is essentially a political instrument of assassination, takes a softer, more nuanced political stance than that of his government. Bond actually injects *conscience* into the parameters of his mission, which would seem wildly out of character for a man literally licensed to kill. Do you find this valuable? |
