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Discussion: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
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 alexberg |
What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 15 2008, 11:18 AM EST Case for: this is a throw-back to the days when the villains chewed up the screen and engaged in long dialogue (rants if you will) with James about their plans for world domination. No one will do this better than Pacino. Case against: Pacino? Really? He's too established and won't be able to get past himself to get into a new character. If he makes that whoo-ahhh! noise from Scent of a Woman I will be very upset. Seriously, what do you think? 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Green-Arrow |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 15 2008, 11:39 AM EST Ugh. This move seems out of step with the whole rein-in-the-series / back-to-Fleming thing they've been doing with Craig. A villain of Pacino's "dimensions" seem more like a Roger Moore-era choice. Hope Al can keep his teeth in his mouth and off the scenery. Hoo hah. Do you find this valuable? |
 JustinAtheropinion |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 15 2008, 12:17 PM EST I think it's a crock. The source for this was an article in "Ain't It Cool News" which is extraordinarily unreliable, and was only corroborated with a mention in IMDB, which is ALSO unreliable. There are a lot of "James Bond crazies" out there, who just want to throw things out and watch the ripple effect. Poor demented souls. Nothing better to do with their lives, and this is their only way of grabbing some reflection from the limelight. No. I think it's some idiot with a "Scarface" jones planting the story. So I have no comment. I wouldn't even put this up on the QoS page, frankly. Do you find this valuable? |
 mkfreeberg |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 15 2008, 12:40 PM EST "I wouldn't even put this up on the QoS page, frankly."Aw, I agreed with every word until I got to that. What's the value of leaving things like this off? Even if they're <i>proven</i> false, it's still an interesting conversation to have. Really, when you think about it the way the actor behaves who is behind the villain, is almost subordinate as an issue to what that villain is going to do. The wonderful thing about Bond villains is that they're all insane, every single one of 'em, but the audience is a little bit in the dark about how far-gone the villain is. Blofeld and Dr. No were the most sane, with Zorin and Xenia being the most far-gone. This subtle mystery keeps the audience watching him closely until the moment of his demise. Do you find this valuable? |
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Anonymous |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 15 2008, 2:18 PM EST Who knows if this is'nt just a rumor. But I don't see Al being the quintessential Bond villan. Blofeld,Mr.Big,Dr.No,LeChiffe,Goldfinger,Drax,Largo...all nuts of course,but tightly under control. Al seems at his best when hes screaming his head off,really-can you see any off the aformentioned baddies doing that?? If Al's in QoS,I may boycott it....unless he plays Slugsy Morant and burns down a motel in the pre-title...HAHAHAHA!!!! C. Do you find this valuable? |
 sean007 |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 16 2008, 1:47 PM EST I believe that Pacino will make an excellent villian for the new movie. He'll try to make a Bond "An offer that he can't refuse". Do you find this valuable? |
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JustinAtheropinion |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 16 2008, 6:53 PM EST "Aw, I agreed with every word until I got to that.I don't believe this rumor any more than I believe the "new" Amy Winehouse rumor (which the New Zealand herald repeated--they also say the movie is based on "the books" of Ian Fleming. Really?), the "Whatsy" Shirpa rumor, or any of the other rumors that are floated around unless it's from the source--the producers. They're not ones for surprises. And they're not ones for expensive cameos with short life spans. Another thing against it. It said Pacino will be filming his cameo at Pinewood "in April or May." That's a bit vague for a production already lensing. And they're absolutely shooting in Austria from April 28th to May 10th. These things shouldn't go up because they give baseless rumors "credible" sources they don't deserve, make the web-sites that post them look foolish, and set up expectations in the audience that the film can't deliver. THAT's why it shouldn't be put up on the QoS page. News? Sure. If it's sighted as a rumor, rather than an out and out "news" story--which, unfortunately the "New Zealand Herald" gives the impression it is. What an incompetent rag. Which is why it's not getting an awful lot of play in the press. I'm still waiting for Sean Connery to show up as Bond's father in "Die Another Day" (as was rumored until LATE in the production...) Do you find this valuable? |
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Anonymous |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 16 2008, 7:20 PM EST Well yeah, I agree that was a knuckleheaded decision to have Connery in DAD and I'm glad it didn't go anywhere. I also agree that it would be a good idea for "rumors" and hypotheticals to go into a different section from stuff that is more credible. I can see the logic in avoiding a mixup of the two together. I'd just disagree like the dickens with any kind of moratorium against less-than-proven stuff. I think this is a great example -- the potential that Al Pacino is seriously considering a role in QoS? I'd peg it at less than 10%. But it's still an interesting thought exercise. Because let's face it....even when you toss in Le Chiffre, given how many bad guys there've been, the profile into which they all fit is a little on the razor-thin side, no? Any proposed change of pace is welcome at this point. Villains are fascinating. They influence the ultimate success of any given work, James Bond or otherwise, a lot more than most folks give 'em credit for. Do you find this valuable? |
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JustinAtheropinion |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 16 2008, 11:44 PM EST Yeah, but see...Connery never considered being in DAD. Never. It was just a story somebody made up, like all the "knuckleheaded" rumors those asses at CraignotBond started with "Casino Royale." "the potential that Al Pacino is seriously considering a role in QoS?" Who says he's considering? And "seriously?" The producers? No. Look, If you think have a big name star will "make" the villain, then you weren't around for Joseph Wiseman as "Dr. No," or Gert Frobe as "Goldfinger." Wiseman was well known...semi-. But Frobe? He'd done a few German films. The Bond folks have always gone with lesser lights, like Telly Savalas, Louis Joudan, Kurd Jurgens, and Joe Don Baker. None of these guys were slouches as actors, but they weren't stars. And the other thing the Bond producers know--Bond's the star. He makes or breaks the movie--not the guest villain, ala a superhero movie. Bond's the one who has to keep coming back, building the audience. They're not going to risk him being upstaged by the villain. EOS Do you find this valuable? |
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JustinAtheropinion |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 18 2008, 1:00 AM EST And Sony Pictures has confirmed in an interview with Access Hollywood that Pacino isn't going to be in QoS, so his casting is NOT...I repeat...NOT IMMINENT. Next rumor... Do you find this valuable? |
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alexberg |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 18 2008, 1:56 AM EST Ah, the Hollywood rumor-ville. One to keep an eye on. Justin - did you just admit to watching Access Hollywood? ; ) Do you find this valuable? |
 wondersz1 |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 18 2008, 6:00 PM EST One of the best actors to play that role. I have seen him disguised as both positive and negative heroes in absolutely divergent roles and every time he was good! Hopefully, he's gonna be approved to be cast in the film. Do you find this valuable? |
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JustinAtheropinion |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 18 2008, 7:59 PM EST "Ah, the Hollywood rumor-ville. One to keep an eye on. Justin - did you just admit to watching Access Hollywood? ; )"Ohhhh nooooo.....I found out on another (cough) Bond site (cough). He is NOT being cast in the film. Approval has nothing to do with it. It was all a RUMOR, which means NOT TRUE! Can we stake this vampire, please? Do you find this valuable? |
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Anonymous |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 19 2008, 11:25 AM EST I'm in favor of staking the vampire. But -- and maybe this is off-topic -- I'll bet a Bond film with a great Bond and a lousy villain, will stink like the dickens next to another installment with a great villain and a lousy Bond. Were that not the case, the franchise could never have survived the Roger Moore era. Do you find this valuable? |
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JustinAtheropinion |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 20 2008, 3:30 AM EST or OHMSS (Savalas wipes the floor with Lazenby). Though I do like me my OHMSS, The thing is, for all the carping about ol' Rog' (and I do my share), one MUST acknowledge that the man did more Bonds than anybody and stayed with the role longer than anybody--and kept the franchise percolating throughout the 70's and 80's. Plus, "Moonraker" is one of the top Bond's as far as box office is concerned (and as much as I like the actor Michael Lonsdale, he was a bit of a snoozer as a Bond villain...) Do you find this valuable? |
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Anonymous |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 20 2008, 11:33 AM EST Yes, and he's one of those gentlemen who, if you go in search of someone who knows him personally and has something bad to say, you come up consistently empty. Seems to be a wonderful man. And he has made some terrific Bond movies...I like all of 'em except AVTAK. The Golden Gun one is one of my favorites even though it's consistently ranked pretty low. There's an interesting verse out of Wikipedia about Roger... "He has never been popular with critics, who have often derided his acting as limited and wooden. In the New York Times of 29 December 1974, Vincent Canby sarcastically wrote that he hereby awarded Moore "the Kabuki Acting Award… in recognition of the manner in which he has reduced all human emotions to a series of variations on one gesture, the raising of the right eyebrow...It can be argued that Moore is more of a personality than an actor...after giving up the Bond role, [he] has more often been seen hosting award ceremonies, guesting on talk shows' and generally being himself, than actually acting." It's that whole line-of-thought that he isn't really an actor. There's certainly a kernel of truth to that, which is my point. At the other end of the extreme is Pierce Brosnan, who OVER acts. Watch his gestures sometime -- if you see someone do that in real life, you'll think they're nuts. But the quality of Moore films and Brosnan films, on average, are about equal. In both cases, the quality of the villain determines the quality of the film. Do you find this valuable? |
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Anonymous |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 21 2008, 7:35 AM EST i think it will work well he will be mind bending.maybe bond will wake to find a horses head in his bed lol 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
 venables |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 26 2008, 4:38 AM EST if not pacino who would make a great main villian.maybee nicholson? Do you find this valuable? |
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venables |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 26 2008, 9:22 AM EST i dont realy agree i think a big name villian will work,your forgetingChristopher Walkien(Max Zorin) i think he saved the film.so if not Pacino how about kevin spacey? Do you find this valuable? |
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mkfreeberg |
RE: What do you think of Pacino being cast?
Feb 26 2008, 11:40 AM EST Spacey would be very good. I'd want to see the performance adjusted a little because James Bond is a more dark and grown-up genre (in this incarnation, anyway) than Superman and needs a darker, drier villain. You know what James Bond REALLY needs in the villain department? Here, I'll tell you what James Bond really needs. He needs a Rene Belloq, someone who brilliantly psychoanalyzes and subtly influences everyone he talks to. (http://mkfreeberg.webloggin.com/non-intimidating-movie-villains/, jump halfway down the page.) Bad-guy-against-bad-guy intellectual conflict is always fascinating. Going all the way back to the Connery days, Bond movies have used this to great success, but sparingly (except in CR and FRWL -- two of the very best). We need to see a whole lot more of that. Do you find this valuable? |
